. so the pietrangelo brief is a brief and, again, i'm counsel of record on that brief in which the u.s. government vigorously defended the don't ask, don't tell policy and statute, more importantly, and told the court not to take a case which challenged a decision to uphold that statute. now, as to the second matter, the witt matter, as you said, the witt matter is interlocutory in nature. and what that means for people who aren't familiar with these legal terms, is that it means that the case is in the middle and that the government can, after remand, at a later stage, continue to defend the don't ask, don't tell statute in this very case. now, we engaged in very serious discussions with the department of defense about the appropriate approach here in order to defend the don't ask, don't tell statute, because i agree with you, senator sessions, that the ninth circuit decision undercuts that statute. it makes it harder for the government to carry out its policies under that statute. and the question that we had to decide was whether to challenge that ninth circuit decision, which i thi